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Post by Brian Luther on Nov 7, 2008 8:48:15 GMT -5
We all know McCain may ran a hard fought campaign! Did he make the right choice with Palin?
Now that Palin got put in the spot light, do you see her developing into a "Hillary Clinton" in Washington D.C.?
Or, will she go back to Alaska and return to her old ways!?
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Post by Aussie Rob on Nov 7, 2008 8:54:20 GMT -5
She'll go back to Alaska. Since the loss, even Fox News is turning on her and releasing embarrassing info about her they were holding. The RNC is apparently sending a lawyer to Alaska to retrieve all the shwag she was given during the campaign too.
I think she was a terrible choice, and the party is going to cut her loose. The talk of a run in 2012 is funny as hell....she'd be eaten alive during the primary process.
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 11:09:13 GMT -5
I think she might surprise. She and her family was savaged by the left worse than any candidate ever and stood up to it well. She is not the dummy the left tried to make her out to be and this is more baloney. I think she may be back.
After all if we can elect a guy who thinks there are fifty seven states anyone has a chance.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 9, 2008 13:10:35 GMT -5
She never lacked the willingness to hand it out. The fear campaign she ran with didn't work. Now the hateful spirit of her "Real Americans" stance is turning on her. I wish her peace. It was an unfortunate choice by McCain.
In the end I am enjoying the greatest sense of American pride in my lifetime. GWB and McCain have acknowledged this moment. Chris Myers admits the feelings of pride.
I hope everyone allows themselves to feel pride in what has happened.
For those that can't, I feel as sad for them as I felt for those that could not cry at 911.
Celebrate the moment.
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Post by MattCollister on Nov 9, 2008 13:59:25 GMT -5
I thought Palin was a great choice!
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 15:39:44 GMT -5
She never lacked the willingness to hand it out. The fear campaign she ran with didn't work. Now the hateful spirit of her "Real Americans" stance is turning on her. I wish her peace. It was an unfortunate choice by McCain. In the end I am enjoying the greatest sense of American pride in my lifetime. GWB and McCain have acknowledged this moment. Chris Myers admits the feelings of pride. I hope everyone allows themselves to feel pride in what has happened. For those that can't, I feel as sad for them as I felt for those that could not cry at 911. Celebrate the moment. Symbolism over substance. It was the hateful spirit of the left and the Obama campaign that assassinated her character and violated the privacy of her family like never before in a campaign. It is great that Americans have put aside race to vote Obama but to say that someone should feel proud because we have elected someone they believe to be a bad choice simply because he is black makes no sense. Not sure what you mean by the 911 comment nor does that comparison make sense to me either. I didn't shed a tear but certainly felt rage and indignation like the rest of the country. |
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Post by Aussie Rob on Nov 9, 2008 15:56:34 GMT -5
Wait, Obama's black?!
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 16:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by Aussie Rob on Nov 9, 2008 16:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by Charlie on Nov 9, 2008 16:42:46 GMT -5
The point is that you felt the emotions of the moment (911) as I would expect of all of us. The use of the word cry, is metaphorical. I do not question the sincerity of your emotions over that event.
Substance over symbolism-The Palin pick was a clear attempt to take advantage of the Hillary support. The initial media reaction to her was positive. I sat with you as CNN swooned over her as "a breath of fresh air". Most of us knew nothing of her. It is the responsibility of the media to ask the same questions of her as were being asked of Obama. The post election attacks are coming from her own campaign.
I still have yet to hear why Obama is a bad choice. The charges of him being a terrorist and socialist never stood up. The reason to be proud is not because we elected a man for being black. The reason to be proud is because we elected him even though he is black. Time will tell whether he is the right or wrong man, but he brought the greatest substance to the table. His campaign focused on the solution. As a nation we have overcome a great disability. Like his policy or not, we should all be proud that democracy worked despite a national belief that a black man would never be elected president.
McCain retreated from the positions that gained him so much respect. Palin pandered to the extreme right. The campaign was not about the McCain/Palin plan, It focused on fear for Obama. The middle ground didn't by into any of it. Maybe if the GOP had focused on substance more then they did symbolism the result would have been different. Maybe if McCain and Palin came to the table with a plan that people believed in, we would still wonder if a black man will ever be president.
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Post by MarkD on Nov 9, 2008 17:54:23 GMT -5
The media was no tougher on Palin than they were on John Kerry 4 years ago. Both Palin and Kerry were out of their league in thier respective elections and deserved all the critisism that they got (I would never cast a vote for either one of those bozos). Remember, the media thrives on controversy - they'll pick on any idiot and they'll do it well.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 9, 2008 18:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 19:21:43 GMT -5
Now there's a credible source. ;D |
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Post by Aussie Rob on Nov 9, 2008 19:23:44 GMT -5
Heh, the most well known paper in the world isn't credible. After seeing the sites/sources you throw up Jack, it makes me laugh  |
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 19:29:34 GMT -5
Liberal rag Rob. No one without blinders would argue. And Frank Rich hates Bush and the Republicans openly.
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Post by Aussie Rob on Nov 9, 2008 19:36:19 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Charlie on Nov 9, 2008 20:01:43 GMT -5
It doesn't need to be credible, it's an op/ed piece.
Jack, The biggest reason why you should be proud, is that the election of Barack Hussein Obama validates all of your core values.
You are right! Anyone that works hard can achieve anything!
No more excuses. The race card is void and expired.
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Post by Jack Carney on Nov 9, 2008 20:49:22 GMT -5
Agreed Charlie on that point. And I meant the credibility of the NY Times as a whole I understand the op ed scenario. Although I don't think the vitriol of Frank Rich dignifies any paper or helps its credibility. I don't have a problem with the NY Times being liberal as long as they admit it. When they purport to be unbiased is when I lol.
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Post by sidmcmahon on Nov 9, 2008 20:53:17 GMT -5
I sure hope your right Chalie with the race card going away. There should be no more excuses why any person can not achieve what they want in life if they work hard enough at it. Obama proved that any person of any color can achieve the highest levels of success.
I voted against Obama not because of his color but because I hate his politics. I have large issues with big goverment solving all the problems of society. But he won and he is my president as well as those who supported him.
I will gain more respect for Obama if he governs as he campaigned. With Pilosi and Reids help I surely expect the country to move drastically to the left. That is what the country voted for and I am sure hope he does not go back on his word. I will anziously wait for my tax cut.
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